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He performed in space, entertaining millions
back on Earth.

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Ground control to major Tom.

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Now, talented astronaut Chris Hadfield returns
to the Rocket Ranch.

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It's one of my favorite places on Earth.

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But he wants us to go back to the moon.

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We are at the moment in history right now
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can start to settle the moon.

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And we're going to Mars.

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But Chris cares about why we want to go.

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If it's just as a stunt, if it's just to show
that we can, then it's a race, and when the

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tape breaks across the first person's chest
to do it, the race is over.

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Why would you ever go again?

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Chris Hadfield is talking and performing.

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And I will love you now and always to the
stars above.

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Next, on the Rocket Ranch.

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EGS program chief engineer verifying no constraints
to launch.

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Three, two, one, and lift off.

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Welcome to space.

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Astronaut Chris Hadfield flew to space three
times, and was the first Canadian to walk

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in space.

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His cover of David Bowie's Space Oddity that
he recorded on the International Space Station

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has over 47 million views, and as you're about
to hear, he's given a lot of thought to the

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future of space exploration, and what it can
mean for all of us.

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We begin with his impressive resume.

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Chris Hadfield, a retired Canadian astronaut,
engineer.

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You were a fighter pilot with the Royal Canadian
Air Force.

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You're also the first Canadian to make a spacewalk,
and you flew on two space shuttle missions,

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and you were the commander of the International
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Chris Hadfield.

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Thank you so much for taking the time to join
us today.

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My pleasure.

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I was also a test pilot with the US Air Force
and the US Navy.

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Oh, very good.

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And that helps a lot.

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It does.

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Yeah.

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Every space flight is immensely dangerous,
and still testing all of the equipment, and

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my first space shuttle flight, the risk was
very high.

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Even by the time I flew the third time, of
course, risks were still high.

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So yeah, it's good to have people with an
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So as you say, engineer and fighter pilot,
but also test piloting.

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You just arrived here at the Kennedy Space
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What's it like for you, as you came back here
to the rocket ranch, the place where, I didn't

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want to use a pun, but really the space portion
of your career took off?

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Yeah.

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This is one of the real special places on
Earth.

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It's a spaceport.

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A seaport, or there didn't used to be airports,
airports are kind of a new invention.

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It's only really a hundred years old.

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But spaceport is even newer than that.

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This is one of the places where we leave Earth
and come back again.

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And that's new.

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So to me there's a great aura about it as
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And plus, I left Earth twice here, and I worked
here for a lot of years.

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So it's one of my favorite places on Earth.

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So I'm really pleased to be here with you
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We're glad to have you.

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Chris, what are your thoughts about the commercialization
of space, particularly near Earth orbit?

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Well, space has always been commercial.

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There's sort of a weird misnomer that ... People
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company, Rockwell, and the lunar Lander that
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of was built by Grumman.

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It's not like NASA is an aerospace builder,
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So that hasn't changed as much as we think.

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We were fascinated by it, but Northrup and
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all people, just like now, with Bezos and
Musk, they're just brilliant, hardworking

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engineers with an incredible work ethic and
a really bizarre vision that allows us to

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do stuff we could never do before.

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So I think it's a pretty exciting time.

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It's a continuation of a lot of exciting times
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between our ability to launch people from
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Mercury and Gemini, and after Apollo, we've
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And I'm really looking forward to these new
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one built by space X.

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They're really advanced compared to the shuttle.

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The shuttle was such a primitive beast to
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And the evolution has pushed them into a shape
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I think we're finally learning what spaceships
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If you look back a hundred years ago at flight,
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Three wings, two wings, a tail in front, tail
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We were just trying to figure out, how should
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Now it's pretty well decided, what's the most
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And that's where we're getting now with spaceships
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This will allow, of course, NASA to focus
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Do you think that there is a ... There's a
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out on the moon?

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Do you foresee that, as an astronaut that
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about these things?

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So I'm the chair of the board of a space company,
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whole reason to exist is the fact that we
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our technology is good enough that we can
start to settle the moon.

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And it sounds crazy, right?

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It sounds like, that's nuts, and why would
anybody go to the moon?

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We forget the very first person to stand at
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of people live and work and go to the Antarctic
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South pole year round, where they just about
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It's because our technology got better.

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Transportation, how we generate power, that
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Spaceflight was impossible when I was a kid,
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Now we've had people living on the space station
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water on the moon, and we know that the North
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So if you've got power and water, then how's
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It's just a matter of whether your habitat
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So I think it's a pretty exciting time.

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And as we start to settle the moon, just like
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make a profit and lots of things that don't.

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And part of it's going to be born by governments,
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the rail system, or all the power, a lot of
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That's the role of large entities.

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But there's always, just like building a space
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SpaceX vehicle, there's private entities involved.

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I also run a technology incubator under the
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space stream for that.

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And we have hundreds of space businesses come
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We whittle them down ... Or space ideas.

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We whittle them down to potential businesses,
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and try and turn them into an exponentially
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And so, yeah, it's a fascinating time in both
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just Earth orbit, but the moon, in an Earth,
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It's a pretty interesting moment.

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And NASA sees this lunar mission as a way
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Of course, Mars excites us, because it's another
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but it fires the imagination for a lot of
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NASA has said, "We're going."

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What do you think about a mission to Mars,
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All the technology that we need?

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Sure, well of course we've had dozens and
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robotic.

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And a lot of them failed, because it is a
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problems to solve that someone actually has
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And eventually, of course, we'll have people
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Just, you don't have to go very far back in
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It was impossible to sail the Atlantic for
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Now you cross the Atlantic and all you're
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movies before or not, we've made it so easy.

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So is the technology good enough now that
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robots and risking robots to Mars, but sending
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I don't think our technology is quite there
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Our engines are very primitive.

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It's almost like trying to row to Australia,
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You could maybe do it.

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There are people that row the Atlantic, but
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elegant, and not the long-term solution.

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So I think the way we're going about it makes
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Sort out the technology, build a space station,
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how we support something that's close to Earth.

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Then do the same thing on the moon.

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Three days away, we're going to have to push
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orbiting the moon, and on the surface of the
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But once we figured that out, then see if
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what?

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We can put all this stuff together and have
a safe and worthwhile plan to go to Mars.

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But you also have to answer the question,
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That's the great question.

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What's the purpose?

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Why would we go to Mars?

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If it's just as a stunt, if it's just to show
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And when the tape breaks across the first
person's chest to do it, the race is over.

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And why would you ever go again?

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You've already shown that you can.

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And that's sort of what happened in the Apollo
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It was a proxy for the Cold War.

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Kennedy was coming out of the Bay of Pigs
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and far thinking president, and had all sorts
of opposition.

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But it was a race, and the United States won,
but it led to a great crash of space flight

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afterwards for a long time, because it was
a race that ended.

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And I think people confuse exploration and
entertainment, sometimes.

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And sometimes they overlap, but the purpose
of exploration is not just entertainment.

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It's trying to scientifically understand the
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what dark matter is, and where did life come
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Earth, and can we learn from other planetary
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So that will always be one of the drivers.

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Going to Mars just as an entertainment event,
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So I think the logical progression of what
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We're going to continue to live on space station
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We are going to set up a temporary and then
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moon just becomes another place that people
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or Antarctica, or the 11 million people a
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It'll just be a place, so long as the moon
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like anywhere.

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Would you live on the moon?

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Sure.

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I'd love to live on the moon.

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Why not?

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Some people say Earth just is the most incredibly
beautiful place.

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Well, some people say that their hometown
is the most incredible place, or their house,

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or their living room, or their backyard.

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And for them, that's right, and that's fine.

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But it's not the only place.

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And life is kind of what you make of it, given
the environment that you're in.

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I've lived in many places around the world,
and been around the world 2,600 times.

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I would love the opportunity to be part of
the team that is settling the moon, try and

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make that part of the human experience.

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We know virtually nothing of what's under
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It's all sort of hypothesis.

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We have no idea what mineral resources there
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It's just that it's larger than Africa, from
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And we know nothing about it, except we've
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Imagine if we just discovered a whole continent
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on, and what are we going to do next?

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That's where we are with the moon.

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And the fact that our technology now allows
us to not just briefly visit like the Apollo

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astronauts who bravely did, but actually start
living there, to me it's a great moment.

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And a lot of people are fascinated with Mars
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But there's a bunch of stepping stones between
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And to me, that's where the real interest
is, in each one of those stepping stones.

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Do you think there's some life on Mars?

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Ancient, microbial life, that we might discover?

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I work a little bit with the Breakthrough
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life somewhere besides Earth.

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I think that's a really fascinating question.

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We don't know the answer to it.

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People imagine that they see little green
aliens all the time.

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You see something in the sky you don't understand,
and people, "Oh, it's a UFO", and that's fun

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But the reality is, we have never seen life
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But we're looking, and our big telescopes
have seen thousands and thousands of planets

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around other stars, so much so that now we
know how many planets there are in the universe,

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roughly, to an order of magnitude.

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And it's one and 28 zeros.

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The number is so unbelievably huge, of the
number of planets that exist, that it would

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be really surprising if life only existed
on Earth.

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It would make no sense at all, statistically,
especially since we know that life has been

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on Earth continuously for four billion years.

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Not advanced life, not complicated life, not
thinking sentient life, but ... So I'm personally

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confident that when our sensors and detectors
get good enough, we will find life somewhere

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besides Earth.

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But until we find it, no one knows, but will
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Maybe.

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Mars was a lot like Earth four billion years
ago, when life developed on Earth.

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So why would we think it wouldn't develop
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Mars has had a very different history since
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We have found moons of other planets that
have more water than Earth, more water than

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Earth around a moon.

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And that has heat, liquid water.

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And if you've got billions of years of liquid
water, then perhaps life has developed, in

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a very green, slimy form in moons of Jupiter
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That's possible.

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So I think we're going to find life somewhere
else, but we have to go look.

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And that's the very essence of one of the
great pillars of exploration.

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And the big question that surrounds it, what
happened to it, if it was there, if it existed

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four billion years ago?

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Chris, you of course became one of the few
highly popular celebrity astronauts after

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you went into space.

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And I believe most of it came from your music
that you played.

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Yeah.

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People forget, my first space flight, it was
on the cover of Time magazine back in the

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'90s, but you're right.

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People don't really understand space flight.

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I'm fascinated by it, have been since I was
a kid.

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But for a lot of people, it's just another
thing in the news, and interesting.

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And so, yeah, if you were commanding a spaceship,
apart from doing all the work, how would you

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share the experience with people?

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I'd tell everybody I could.

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But how?

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When my first flight, there was no social
media, and the internet was still in its infancy.

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So a very limited megaphone to talk through,
or telephone wire.

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And by the time I flew in space the third
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and a way to digitally record.

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On my first flight, it was all filmed.

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It's very hard to share a picture if it's
just on film.

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To be able to digitally share information
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So in addition to commanding the space station
and getting, we set records for the amount

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of science we got done, I also worked hard
in my spare time up there to try and share

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the experience as best I could.

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And there's a guitar up there.

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There's lots of astronauts who are musicians.

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And so I wrote a whole album of music while
I was on the space station, and I played with

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other bands on Earth.

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I played with the Chieftains, and did a thing
with schools where 700,000 kids sang a song

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simultaneously with me, all around the world,
on a program called Music Mondays.

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And I also did a cover of a Bowie tune that
a lot of people have seen.

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So to me, it was part of who I am, and I'm
a musician, but it was also a wonderful way

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to let people in on what it's actually like
onboard a spaceship.

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This is part of life off the Earth.

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I really can't wait to hear the music from
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Think about bluegrass music...

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...What kind of inspiration?

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...Or New Orleans music.

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Would never have the jazz and the blues that
we have, if all those influences from the

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world hadn't gone to a new place, and been
sort of a melting pot of ideas, and created

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this own, what is now a whole new genre of
music, or art, or human understanding.

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And it'll be interesting when they open the
first little bar on the moon, and someone

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steps up to the mic and starts playing local
music.

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That's going to happen pretty soon.

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Would love to imagine just what that would
sound like, right?

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It's coming soon.

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It's going to be fun.

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In the meantime, there was a guitar up at
the international space station.

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There is, it's a Larrivee made him Vancouver.

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Yeah.

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A nice one.

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Yeah.

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It's a nice little guitar.

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It's a little small, but it's good.

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There's a guitar here, Chris, that I mentioned-
Yeah.

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It's a Larrivee?

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Yeah, no, no, I don't think so.

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But it's a guitar, nonetheless.

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We would wonder if you, because you're still
into music and you're playing, and you're

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touring.

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Yeah, I play, and I write, and record, and
tour.

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And Bowie's band has asked me to tour and
play with them.

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So I do.

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David Bowie's band, you were touring with?

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Yeah.

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They're great people, Earl Slick, and Mike
and company.

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They're great.

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But yeah, I don't deserve to be in that band,
but they humor me, and they let me come, and

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I've played in several cities with them, which
is fun.

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But to me, music is just a wonderful way to
celebrate.

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It's an intrinsic human way to celebrate life.

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And also, to help explain things that maybe
you can't put into language any other way.

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So yeah, there's music on the space station,
but there'll be music everywhere we ever go.

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That's fascinating.

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I play a little guitar.

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Is it different, as you get ready to play
the guitar here in the studio, is it different

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playing the guitar in microgravity than it
is here?

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Well, two big differences.

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If, for those of you who are watching this,
the guitar of course has a little sculpted

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area where it sits on your knee, because the
gravity pushes down on the guitar and then

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the guitar will stay in place.

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Without gravity, of course, that won't work.

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Or, if you're standing, you hang it with gravity,
with a strap.

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And that holds the guitar in front of you.

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So your hands are free.

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But if you're weightless, then the guitar
is floating.

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And every time you move your hand up and down
the fret board, the guitar just takes off,

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left and right.

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So if you watch the video of me playing various
things on the space station, you'll see I

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pinch it under my bicep, and that was to hold
it in place.

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It's weightless, but it still has mass, and
it still has inertia.

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But it's also a wonderful place to play, because
you can float weightless next to one of the

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huge windows on the ship, and watch the world
pour by silently beside you.

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Really inspirational and thoughtful place
to be.

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And so, yeah, I wrote a variety of music up
there.

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And the album, which is called Space Sessions,
Songs from a Tin Can, even Bowie sent me a

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lovely note when I released it.

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And he really loved the version of Oddity
that I did.

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So, because he always wanted to fly in space.

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So it's been a lovely come around, in amongst
everything else.

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What song do you think would help us understand
the nexus between music and space the best?

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Oh, there's all kinds.

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But part of it is, you can see the whole world,
you go around the world 16 times a day.

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So you see all seven and a half billion people
every day, but you're physically separate

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from them, people you don't know, and your
friends and your family.

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I wrote a song, because my kids have put up
with me playing music my whole life, and I

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sung them all lullabies as a kid.

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And so I wrote a thing for my daughter, who's
the youngest of my three children, as if I

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was singing her a lullaby.

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But this one was being sung across the thousands
of miles, from me onboard a spaceship, orbiting

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the world.

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It's called Space Lullaby.

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I'll do a little bit of that, if it's okay.

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We would love to hear it.

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Just picture me both sitting on the foot of
her bed, singing this song or floating weightless

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by the window, looking back across my lifetime
of memories of sitting on the foot of her

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bed.

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And this is Space Lullaby.

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(singing) Darkness falls.

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A favorite blanket that surrounds us all.

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A quiet ending to a busy day.

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Of noise and troubles we have put away to
sleep.

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You and I.

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You in your bedroom, me up in the sky.

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As close as dreaming.

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We are holding hands.

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You tuck so tightly as we lay now down to
sleep.

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You say I've been away too long I'm only here
and then I am gone.

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But I am coming home to tuck you in to bed.

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And I will love you now and always to the
stars above.

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Rainbow of color swirling overhead.

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A favorite story that you read to fall alseep.

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To sleep.

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Lay now down to sleep.

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Wow.

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That was beautiful.

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Space Lullaby.

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Well done.

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I actually-
Nice guitar.

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Yeah.

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Oh, Well, thank You for that.

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Sounds nice.

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And beautiful song, that captures the emotions
that happen when you're so far away from a

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loved one, and yet you're doing your job,
and you're looking back on Earth.

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She's down there, and you're up there.

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Wow.

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That's heavy.

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Thanks for bringing the guitar in.

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Well, thanks for playing.

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The future.

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You've mentioned a lot of the projects that
you're involved in.

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I see you're still very active on Twitter.

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You talk to schools whenever you get the chance.

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What's the big thing you're working on, and
working towards?

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Yeah.

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I teach at university, I'm a professor, but
I also use Skype.

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As soon as Skype was invented I thought, "Wow,
I can just sit in a classroom with kids, with

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no overhead?

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They'll just type and we can have a chat?"

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So I started that back as soon as Skype was
invented.

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I did it at lunchtime, called it On the Lunch
Pad.

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And so I'd just sit with the kids for a half
hour and answer questions.

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And the teachers use it as a way to put some
science and technology and ideas into their

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regular day.

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I've written three books as well, An Astronaut's
Guide to Life on Earth, which is how to lead

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a better life, and a book of pictures, and
a children's book called The Darkest Dark.

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I'm writing a fourth book right now, but it's
still under embargo.

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I can't tell you.

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But it is historical fiction.

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So that'll be fun.

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Historical fiction?

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Yeah.

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It'll be an interesting book.

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I'm in the process of writing it right now.

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And to me though, I think a real fundamental
question is, what is this all for?

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Why are we doing these things?

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And the real comeback to it all is, how does
this help me lead a better life?

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How can I look at all these ideas, and either
use the technology, like something that tells

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me the temperature when my kid has a fever,
or a cell phone that is using all this technology

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to communicate, or whatever, or maybe perhaps
by pushing ourselves to the very edge of our

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existence, we can learn things about ourselves.

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How do you deal with fear in your life?

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How do you deal with the real dangers of life?

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How do you deal with catastrophic loss?

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How do we, as individuals, get outside the
little confines of our normal life and be

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ready for the real broad complexities and
richnesses of life?

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And when you push people right to the limit,
sometimes that's where you experiment not

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just with the hardware, but with humanity
itself.

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And to me, that's a large part of exploration.

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It's not just physical exploration, but it's
also human exploration.

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And so I speak all over the world on those
ideas as well, because in amongst all the

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fun technology and playing music, I think
the real value is in helping as many people

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as possible look at what they've done so far
in their life, think about some of the possibilities

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that they haven't got to yet, and maybe make
a few new decisions about where they might

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head next.

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Right.

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And possibly space flight, which brings me
to ask you, do you think you'd ever go to

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space again?

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I'd love to fly in space again.

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Here at the Kennedy space center, I was over
standing next to Atlantis very recently, and

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that was a magnificent bird to be able to
fly.

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I've had a ridiculous richness of space flight,
of flying the space shuttle a few times, and

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living half a year and commanding the space
station.

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So I'm not sure I would go for a ride with
no purpose.

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Imagine if someone pulled up next to you with
a nice new, I don't know, a Corvette, and

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said, "Hey, you want to go for a ride?"

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And you said, "Yeah, sure."

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And you went around the block in the Corvette.

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Then he came back and the next day said, "Hey,
want to go for a ride?"

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00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:28,100
And you're like, "Okay."

457
00:27:28,100 --> 00:27:29,211
And then came back a third day.

458
00:27:29,211 --> 00:27:32,420
After a while, "Okay, I've already had a great
ride in that car, but what are we going to

459
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do with it this time?"

460
00:27:34,250 --> 00:27:39,820
And that's sort of where I am in space flight,
is what would be the purpose of it?

461
00:27:39,820 --> 00:27:47,090
The ride itself is titillating, but what are
we going for, and what purpose does it serve?

462
00:27:47,090 --> 00:27:52,230
And I would love to be involved with the team
that is figuring out how to successfully build

463
00:27:52,230 --> 00:27:55,830
a station around the moon, and the first settlements
on the moon.

464
00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:59,630
To me, that's a huge, interesting challenge,
not just going for a ride.

465
00:27:59,630 --> 00:28:01,350
But yeah, if you're offering, sure.

466
00:28:01,350 --> 00:28:03,250
I'd love to go for a ride.

467
00:28:03,250 --> 00:28:05,620
We've got some rockets and spacecraft around
here, Chris.

468
00:28:05,620 --> 00:28:06,620
I'd love to.

469
00:28:06,620 --> 00:28:07,660
We'll see what we can do.

470
00:28:07,660 --> 00:28:08,660
Sure.

471
00:28:08,660 --> 00:28:12,799
We appreciate you so much taking the time
to be here, not only to enlighten us with

472
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all of the projects you're working on, but
also playing for us.

473
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,010
It was truly a treat to have you.

474
00:28:18,010 --> 00:28:19,010
My pleasure.

475
00:28:19,010 --> 00:28:20,870
And you need to bring two guitars, we can
play together next time.

476
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:21,870
I'd love that.

477
00:28:21,870 --> 00:28:22,870
All right.

478
00:28:22,870 --> 00:28:23,870
Chris Hadfield.

479
00:28:23,870 --> 00:28:24,870
Thank you.

480
00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:26,299
I'm Derrol Nail, and that's our show.

481
00:28:26,299 --> 00:28:31,659
Thanks for stopping by The Rocket Ranch, and
special thanks to our guest, Chris Hadfield.

482
00:28:31,659 --> 00:28:35,910
To learn more about Chris and all the exciting
projects he talked about, you can go to Chris

483
00:28:35,910 --> 00:28:40,110
Hadfield, that's H-A-D-F-I-E-L-D, .ca.

484
00:28:40,110 --> 00:28:45,420
And to learn more about everything going on
at the Kennedy space center, go to nasa.gov/kennedy.

485
00:28:45,420 --> 00:28:50,929
And we've got other cool podcasts you'll find
at nasa.gov/podcasts.

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00:28:50,929 --> 00:28:59,020
A special shout out to our producer, John
Sackman, and our soundmen Lorne Mathre and